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Apr 01 2020 Art Kleiner 8:23 PM

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From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Apr 01 2020 Art Kleiner 8:22 PM

David, Al - The Creedmoor Parkway (Freeway) was still being seen as an urgent need as noted in the attached Regional Planning Association’s update produced in 1938.  The update noted its use of the Stewart RR, the LIRR and the Motor Parkway.  Will be noted in a future post, but thought it might spark some comment’s now.

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Apr 01 2020 Jan Edick 7:11 PM

I found a reference to Hugh Nutting with regard to Martin Tanner’s Class H sports cars. Looking for Hugh led me here. Hugh and I were neighbors as children, and met again in the late 50s in Midland, MI, before he went to Boulder. Our interests apparently still coincide, and it would be rewarding to renew our acquaintance.

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Apr 01 2020 S. Berliner, III 5:50 PM

Re Queens street names and numbers, I forgot to add that the late Vince Seyfried, noted Queens and LIRR historian, once did a compendious study of all that.  In case anyone is interested, I assume the Queens Hist. Soc. or the Queens (Borough) Public Library would know more about it.  Sam, III

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Apr 01 2020 David Stephan 4:28 PM

Al V.-Borough of Queens proposed the Central RR ROW Creedmoor Parkway in 1930. In 12/1937, Robert Moses proposed his arterial highways project, revealing plans for the CIP, presented as the successor to the other parkway. As CIP construction started in 1939, references to a Creedmoor Pkwy can be dated to the 1930s.

Hillside Park is today’s Cunningham Park N of LIMP and S of 73rd Ave. Moses (again!) was trying to prevent development that would bisect his plan green belt of parks. When he finally acquired undeveloped land S of LIMP and E of FL Blvd and W of Hollis Hills Terrace, he could connect Hillside with Cunningham Parks and form one, very large park. Homes in Hollis Hills Terrace partially intrude on Moses’s park plan. [Later, the LIMP bicycle path to Alley (Pond) Park, was the final link in the interconnected green belt of parks.]

Harding’s proposal was from Queens Blvd to Lakeville Rd., but road was built in discontinuous parts.  Reusing 64th Ave (once Avenue B), which ended at FM Lane, allowed the part that included that stretch to be finished earlier.

The partial Belcher Hyde map in the 12/9/2009 post shows NB from NHT to Hollis Ct Blvd unbuilt, but NB parts east and west of that segment already built.

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Apr 01 2020 Al Velocci 11:01 AM

Hey David, Thanks for adding some clarity to the North Hempstead Turnpike/Booth Memorial scenario. When researching the western terminus of the Motor Parkway I found that area very confusing. There was a Hillside Park but then it disappeared. What ever happened to the Creedmoor Parkway?  Was that a serious consideration?  Was it supposed to located on the Central Railroad ROW ? Some help here, when Harding first proposed the building of Nassau Blvd. , I believe it was in 1924,  was the western terminus to be at Fresh Meadow Rd?  Again thanks for your input.

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Apr 01 2020 frank femenias 3:32 AM

The long “L” in Lancia resembles a long leg/foot pressing on the accelerator. Can’t explain the “c” on the toe

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Mar 31 2020 Brian D McCarthy 10:11 PM

Had a notion that the Sands Point Seaplane Base wasn’t the location, too small and new. Now I realize the larger/square property just SE is the right location. Current aerial shows nature reclaiming the land.

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Mar 31 2020 Rob 6:21 PM

13536 - Looks like the entrance to Harned Rd is at the top of the hill. Photographer is looking westbound.

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Mar 31 2020 Jennifer Robinson 12:16 PM

Wow! Wonderful information here! Super fun to read.

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Mar 31 2020 Dick Gorman 9:28 AM

Regarding the Mystery Foto #13, I see that one of the replies is from Karl Ludvigsen. The world renown Automotive Journalist/Author,Yes?
Karl, I met you a zillion years ago through mutual friend Armand Fiorenza.
Great to see you name here.
______________________________________________
Howard Kroplick

Yes, Karl is a regular viewer and he correctly identified Howard Hughes!

From Mystery Foto #13 Solved: Willie K's Seaplane at Port Washington Marine Base in 1938 & Howard Hughes

Mar 31 2020 STUART OKIN 7:30 AM

I think bridge 19 on the map should be placed a little bit to the west over the herricks high school driveway, next to the west embankment.

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Mar 30 2020 S. Berliner, III 11:33 PM

The “other” No. Hemp. Tpke LIVES further east!  The former tiny Muttontown Unitarian Universalist Fellowship on the south side of No. Blvd. just west of Chelsea and 107 had a legal street address of 6080 North Hempstead Turnpike.

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Mar 30 2020 David Stephan 11:23 PM

About Al V.‘s 11:21 AM comment: the NHT renaming had nothing to do with the coming of “Cross Island Blvd.”  Part of NHT was renamed Booth Memorial in conjunction of an anniversary celebration that honored the eponym medical center, which opened in 1957. However, much of the street remained NHT which doubly confused everyone, including us 70s graduates of Francis Lewis HS, located at the corner of Utopia Pkwy & NHT. About 30 years ago, sanity took over, and the entire extant road to the LIE was renamed Booth Memorial—only to see the medical center renamed in 1993.

So, today, there is no Booth Memorial on Booth Memorial Ave and FLHS is not, and never has been, on Francis Lewis Blvd (once Cross Island Blvd.).  Don’t you love Queens streets!

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Mar 30 2020 Art Kleiner 10:31 PM

Thanks for matchbook cover, Thomas.  Haven’t seen that! 

Sam - see the article re: midget racing at Cedarhurst Stadium. From Billboard, 1948 but referencing pre-WWII.

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Mar 30 2020 Art Kleiner 10:18 PM

Sam - yes about the exits leading to Idle Hour from Ronkonoma - and the realtors used that as a selling point - see pics.  1909 and 1910 ads from The Brooklyn Daily Eagle.

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Mar 30 2020 David Stephan 5:18 PM

To Al Prete’s comment-
The North Hempstead Tpke that is NY25A is unrelated to the NHT of this story.  “Northern Blvd” has had many names, but by 1900, the Queens stretch was mostly known as Broadway, with the name changing to NHT at the Nassau border. That one part you referenced kept this old name.

The NHT in this post extended from the Strongs Causeway area to Queens Road (Hollis Ct. Blvd.) This NHT extended a road, known variously as Ireland/Ireland Mill/Mill Road, that had ended at/near Fresh Meadow Lane to Queens Road (Hollis Ct. Blvd). This NHT was intended to bypass the late 19th century congestion in Flushing on roads that form the modern Northern Blvd. Ironically, that was Horace Harding’s intent, too, in proposing Nassau Blvd., which made this NHT obsolete for long-distance travellers.

The Fresh Meadows development destroyed much of the eastern portion of NHT, but some roadbed, including its eastern terminus still exists. That roadbed is in the woods west of the Clearview Expwy, so, Al there’s still a trace left!

Both roads shared the name NHT, which referred to the long-distance destination the Town of North Hempstead, as I suspect Howard or Al V. have explained elsewhere.

The isolated segment of Hollis Ct. Blvd, between Clearview/73rd and the GCP, was renamed Hollis Hills Terrace to avoid confusion for visitors looking for addresses along this stretch of road in the pre-Google Maps era.  (Some people would travel down Hollis Ct. Blvd from the north, only to see it “end” at LIE before encountering the addresses they sought.)

From Motor Parkway Survey Bookmap C: The Western Terminus in Fresh Meadows, Queens

Mar 30 2020 S. Berliner, III 4:28 PM

Don’t forget, folks, that the Wheeler Road and Ronk. exits led south to WKV (Sr.)‘s Idle Hour and Frederick Bourne’s Indian Neck Hall, among many other South Shore mansions.  There’s still a Vanderbilt Wharf Marina in Oakdale, just east of the Grand Canal.  Al V. - what happened to the land purchased SOUTH and EAST of Ronk. (again - please)?  Sam, III

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Mar 30 2020 S. Berliner, III 3:58 PM

JF and Art, don’t overlook aviation pioneer George C. Dade, founder off the Cradle of Aviation Museum - see my <http://sbiii.com/aviation.html#dade>.  George Dade’s father and uncle, and later George and his brother, owned the northwest corner of Clinton Street and Old Country Road, diagonally across from Curtiss/Roosevelt Field; the Motor Parkway formed the western boundary of their property.  Coincidentally, I worked in the basement of the Dade office building there on OCR (long gone now) ca. 1957 - see 16 Jul 2018 Update #3: Mystery Foto #28.  JF - please contact me at sbiii at sbiii dot com.  Sam, III

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Mar 30 2020 Brian D McCarthy 3:38 PM

*ID seaplane & owner:  Sikorsky S - 43 / NC - 16925 ( NC is Navy Curtiss ). Owned by William K Vanderbilt II.

*Location of Foto:  Maybe Sands Point Seaplane Base NY

*Kudo ?:  Don’t know the full name/type. That’s Howard Hughes in both photos, maybe prior to 1946 ( his near fatal crash ). William Beutenmuller appears around 30 yrs old.

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