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Oct 19 2019 Bill Frohlich 11:07 PM

Deadman’s curve was a much steeper pitched bend than what is shown here, I believe.

From Bethpage Newsgram & Mid-Island Times: Vanderbilt Cup Races through Bethpage

Oct 19 2019 Lee Chambers 10:22 PM

Art,

Major clue on the alleged 1968 maps - the absence of the Meadowbrook Parkway extension which opened in 1956.  Many of the local roadways cutting through or adjacent to Mitchel Field were long gone by then too.

From Nassau County Department of Pubic Works Surveys and Maps: Closing the Motor Parkway

Oct 19 2019 Brian D McCarthy 7:26 PM

Please Al, don’t be negative on yourself. The schoolhouse was such a nifty looking building. When I noticed the property was marked as ‘Historical’ on the base map, I was hoping that the building was re-located to be restored, etc. It was likely demolished. Glad you were paying attention and that “as usual”, you were aware of info that most of don’t : )  Thanks

From Kleiner's Kolumn: Documenting the Ezekiel Smith Farmway Bridge in Melville Over Time

Oct 19 2019 Steve Tremulis 9:22 AM

That’s Vince Gardner working the molds. Here he is working on a rear spoiler for a Mustang project with Alex Tremulis. Together they also built the body for the Gyronaut X-1 motorcycle streamliner, the World’s Fastest Motorcycle from 1966 to 1970. Looking forward to more shots of the Mustang III being built!

From VanderbiltCupRaces.com Exclusive:63 Photos Discovered of the Mustang III Being Built at DST in 1964.

Oct 19 2019 Art Kleiner 1:02 AM

Here’s the office building on the corner.

From Kleiner's Kolumn: Documenting the Ezekiel Smith Farmway Bridge in Melville Over Time

Oct 18 2019 Brian D McCarthy 7:23 PM

Cherry Ave noted at the Botto Bridge location ends up being quite obvious. I actually remember walking on this wood chip path while “looking for motor pkwy” a long time ago. Maps below:

From Nassau County Department of Pubic Works Surveys and Maps: Closing the Motor Parkway

Oct 18 2019 Al Velocci 6:06 PM

Brian, Thanks for the update, the last time I visited the area was when I wrote the book on the Parkway, getting careless and sloppy in my old age. Good to have a number of folks involved.

From Kleiner's Kolumn: Documenting the Ezekiel Smith Farmway Bridge in Melville Over Time

Oct 17 2019 Brian D McCarthy 11:11 PM

This is like a scrapbook, thanks for pursuing this Art. My mind is already working:

* Old Courthouse was still active north to I U Willets Rd, so that’s why this bridge survived.
* Recall an old Newsday article about the LIRR planning to utilize the LIMP between Roslyn Rd & Mineola Ave, maybe this is why #12 and perhaps 18 survived until the 1980’s, but #17 ( Westbury Ave ) I’m not sure of. Trolley line use ended in the 1920’s. Maybe there were plans for a LIRR spur?
* The road over the Botto bridge in Bethpage was known as Cherry Ave. I’ll look into this.

Too many thoughts, I’m going to bed.

From Nassau County Department of Pubic Works Surveys and Maps: Closing the Motor Parkway

Oct 17 2019 Brian D McCarthy 10:33 PM

Al Velocci - You mention that the schoolhouse survives to this day. Below are 2 images - Current Historical Aerial Road Map displaying this area, still with ‘Lower Melville School’ ( Historical ), on the S/E side like we all understand. The school is definitely not at this location anymore, wether demolished or moved. The other is the ‘Tax Map’ for #88 Maxess Rd, public record of this location since 1995. One would have to visit the County Clerk in Riverhead for earlier than 1995. I visited once for my family history. If the schoolhouse we know of survives today, I don’t know where it went.

From Kleiner's Kolumn: Documenting the Ezekiel Smith Farmway Bridge in Melville Over Time

Oct 17 2019 Brian D McCarthy 10:10 PM

Al Velocci - Okay, so I guess the schoolhouse that Ron Ridolph captured in the early 1980’s wasn’t built in 1872. Below are Images A - Lower Melville School & Outhouse built in 1863 etc, and B - New Lower Melville School built in 1872 etc. I wanted you to see these next to each other. Whom ever captioned these images were wrong about Image B. I’ll post another comment with images afterwards.

From Kleiner's Kolumn: Documenting the Ezekiel Smith Farmway Bridge in Melville Over Time

Oct 17 2019 Tim Ivers 9:16 PM

I’m guessing your maps might be from around 1937.  On the Bethpage view, north of Central Avenue, there are streets visible where Grumman was located.

From Nassau County Department of Pubic Works Surveys and Maps: Closing the Motor Parkway

Oct 17 2019 Howard Kroplick 5:38 PM

Art Kleiner:

Thanks Mike, yes looks like the Westbury Road bridge was retained, however not sure about the Newbridge Road bridge going to LILCO.  Might just be the roadway between Wantagh Parkway and Newbridge Road that went to LILCO, however as we know LILCO does have high tension poles east and west of Newbridge, so maybe they took the bridge too.  But if I was LILCO at the time why not have the county bear the burden of dismantling it?  The Newbridge Road bridge may have more details in the future, if so will do a specific post on that.

From Nassau County Department of Pubic Works Surveys and Maps: Closing the Motor Parkway

Oct 17 2019 Michael Cain 11:48 AM

Nice work Art! If I’m reading the notes correctly the Westbury Road bridge was retained for future use and the Newbridge Road bridge was sold to LILCO. I believe both were torn down during or just after World War 2. Looking forward to seeing more of the information.

From Nassau County Department of Pubic Works Surveys and Maps: Closing the Motor Parkway

Oct 16 2019 Al Velocci 9:10 PM

Regarding the schoolhouse on Duryea Rd., it is not from 1872. That schoolhouse was located on the southeast corner of Duryea and Maxess Roads. The Motor Parkway purchased the Smith property from his heirs in April 1910.  In June that year the Parkway sold one acre of land on the east side of the school to district 15 for $300. It was on this land a new schoolhouse was built and has survived to this day.

From Kleiner's Kolumn: Documenting the Ezekiel Smith Farmway Bridge in Melville Over Time

Oct 16 2019 AMH 11:49 AM

If Mr Schramm is still looking for information on Robert Graves, I can provide some offline. He was family by marriage (his sister married my great grandfather).

From Owner Profile: Robert Graves Jr. Who Entered His Mercedes in Three Vanderbilt Cup Races

Oct 14 2019 Howard Kroplick 9:30 PM

JeRita Trapani
Congratulations well deserved

Mitch Kaften
Kudos and congrats Howard.

Sal Grenci
Congratulations

Howie Schneider
Congrats

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Oct 14 2019 S. Berliner, III 8:36 PM

Oops.  South-WEST corner.  Current view attached.  Sam, III

From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: The East Norwich Turn of the Vanderbilt Race Courses As Seen in 1955

Oct 14 2019 Al Prete 6:04 PM

Congratulations Howard! I love your website and I check it every day.

From Society of Automotive Historians Honor VanderbiltCupRaces.com with the E.P. Ingersoll Award

Oct 14 2019 Tim Ivers 9:58 AM

Congratulations Howard .  Well deserved!

From Society of Automotive Historians Honor VanderbiltCupRaces.com with the E.P. Ingersoll Award

Oct 14 2019 MATTHEW MENG 9:25 AM

CORNER OF ROUTE 106 AND 25A

From Mystery Foto #41 Solved: The East Norwich Turn of the Vanderbilt Race Courses As Seen in 1955

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