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Dec 18 2018 Brian D McCarthy 2:14 PM

The Suffolk County News article posted here brings to mind my stay at The Hospital for Special Surgery in NYC. The original title of this facility was “The Hospital for the Crippled and Lame”. No confusion back in the old days I guess.

From Mystery Foto #50 Solved: Pilgrim State Hospital Complex in 1938

Dec 18 2018 frank femenias 10:24 AM

Howard,

With the answers in, that last photo of the service road was taken directly on the RoW (on the dead grass), and shows exposed concrete similar to what Brian and I found recently in Wheatley Heights. Another visit here in order Brian?

From Mystery Foto #50 Solved: Pilgrim State Hospital Complex in 1938

Dec 18 2018 frank femenias 10:04 AM

Hi Gene,
First bridge after Great Neck lodge likely the Smith farmway bridge, once located south of Great Neck South High School by the trackk field

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1396j0_672hYkvbcNFJInbc1mXNJspD9f&ll=40.7631150902868,-73.69879739916951&z=16

From Updated: Surveyor Clinton Robertson Photo Album: A Motor Parkway Survey Team in Lake Success in 1909

Dec 18 2018 Art Kleiner 7:30 AM

Greg, Sam, et al,
Thanks for pointing that out Greg, however,  not sure where my reference to Rand McNally came from.  That was probably one of my first posts, back in 2004 or 2005, so will see if I can figure out what I was thinking.

From Updated: Surveyor Clinton Robertson Photo Album: A Motor Parkway Survey Team in Lake Success in 1909

Dec 18 2018 Howard Kroplick 1:29 AM

Michael I. LKaplow

Howard, Richard, and all the super detectives,
Today has been one of those rainy-can’t-walk-any-of-my-Siberians Sundays. This map mystery intrigued me! The main photo looked much like other vintage photos I have seen of Pilgrim State and other NYS Psych Centers, so I started with Pilgrim. Incidentally Pilgrim has nothing to do with New England settlers or John Wayne. The facility was named for Dr. Charles W. Pilgrim, Commissioner of Mental Health in the early 1900s. With some help from Google Maps and other sites cited, I think I have solved Mystery #50, or at least parts of it. I am not sure that the source links are live. I’d’ve left this on the web response location but the map images do not show there. BTW, the LIRR History folks are as enthusiastic as the VMP folks. Great that all this is all preserved and available!!

Identify the location and orientation of the photographer.
Brentwood (Pilgrim State) looking +/- N/E based on this RR Map

This vintage map shows the wye and the spur/sidings that serviced the then new hospital. They are shown in the lower right of the main photo. Anything that is left of the tracks now is all overgrown. This map also serves to orient the Mystery Photo. http://www.lirrhistory.com/july2000/pilmap2.JPG

What is the building complex in the Mystery Foto and when was it built?
The complex is Pilgrim State Hospital c.1930 “Pilgrim State Hospital was created by the Legislature in 1929 and … officially opened for the care and treatment of patients on 825 acres … on October 1, 1931.” https://www.omh.ny.gov/omhweb/facilities/pgpc/#history

What is located on the complex today and the property on the far right?
Pilgrim State Hospital is now the Pilgrim Psychiatric Center and hasn’t gone anywhere in 88 years! Across the future Sagtikos is now SCCC and LIU Brentwood Campus as well as Brentwood State Park just to the south of G Rd (College Rd).

Identify the roads that are not the Motor Parkway.
Crooked Hill Rd is to the right (East) and Commack Rd (old and/or new) to the left (West). Wicks Rd is to the far right (East) of the cleared land (future colleges). The Sagtikos Pkwy (opened in 1952) which runs between the two locations did not exist and neither did the LIE nor the NSP, both of which would be built to the north of the property. Within the facility the streets had letter names. G Rd is the most visible and is still around today. It cuts across the photo about mid-way up. The eastern most part of it is now known as College Rd and it ends at Wicks Rd.

Where is the Motor Parkway?
I believe that the VMP is hidden by the trees in the area just to the north of the open field that would someday be the College Campuses and is intersected by Wicks Rd on the far right (East) right where the LIE crosses Wicks now.

Where is the Long Island Railroad?
The LIRR (Ronkonkoma Branch) is and was well to the south of the Hospital. The tracks shown in the photo were a spur to the hospital and the power station and also served the State’s Edgewood facility.
http://www.lirrhistory.com/july2000/pilmap2.JPG

Kudos question: What is the date of the Mystery Foto? Provide a rationale.
Photo date: c.1930 ::: In the image, the hospital looks like it is still under construction. Can’t be sure of a more exact date but there do not appear to be significant shadows from the buildings so I’d venture not Winter on a less than sunny day!

Mike and the SnowDogs

From Mystery Foto #50 Solved: Pilgrim State Hospital Complex in 1938

Dec 17 2018 Greg O. 8:18 PM

Sam, As per Art K’s website, that was an advertisement in a 1927 Rand McNally.

From Updated: Surveyor Clinton Robertson Photo Album: A Motor Parkway Survey Team in Lake Success in 1909

Dec 17 2018 Gene Perry 7:31 PM

It says 1st bridge after Great Neck , so that would make it the bidg over New Hyde Park Road? Gene

From Updated: Surveyor Clinton Robertson Photo Album: A Motor Parkway Survey Team in Lake Success in 1909

Dec 17 2018 Frank Mendyk 4:54 PM

Location - NYS pilgrim State Psychiatric Center Brentwood
            Photo facing to the north over Deer Park ,Brentwood looking towards
            the LIMP at Commack and Hauppauge
Building Complex - Pilgrim State Hospital built in 1929, opened in 10/01/31
Property today- Pilgrim State Hospital and associated psych centers,
                lower section of photo, Heartland Industrial Park
                section to the right was the center’s farm, now Suffolk
                County Community College, SCPD police academy
Roads- Commack Rd, Crooked Hill Rd, Wicks Rd and G Rd (entrance to the center)
Location of the LIMP -  The LIMP is on the top 3rd of the photo and runs from left
                        to right.  The parkway is just above the intersection of
                        Commack and Crooked Hill and then curves down and
                        around to the intersection of Wicks Rd which can be seen
                        in the photo. LIMP runs along top of the farms to Wicks
Location of LIRR - The LIRR can be seen on the lower right coming up past
                    the power house and curving up to G Rd and ending at the
                    LIRR Pilgrim State Station.  The Pilgrim Spur also splits at a wye
                    just below the power house and goes to the coal ramp next to
                    and below the power house.
Date of Photo-  the date should be late 30’s early 40’s, I would say maybe 37-39
                the LIRR started train service on 6/24/34 (station in photo)
                Comparing the SC GIS aerial of 1947, the complex is much more
                built up and developed as to mystery photo. It appears that the
                parkway could possibly be still open.

From Mystery Foto #50 Solved: Pilgrim State Hospital Complex in 1938

Dec 17 2018 frank femenias 1:25 PM

Hi Sam,
WWI quite possible. Sent Howard the rear side of the brochure which sold on ebay in 2017. There’s no date on the rear as well and It’s not a great image. The toll on the brochure was $1 dollar so it may have been printed sometime between 1917-1933 I believe.

From Updated: Surveyor Clinton Robertson Photo Album: A Motor Parkway Survey Team in Lake Success in 1909

Dec 17 2018 frank femenias 12:22 AM

Nothing here looks familiar. I believe orientation is NE and LIRR is at bottom right. The RR spur terminating on a bridge over water - strange! I’m stumped. Great mystery Richard, ya got me this time!

From Mystery Foto #50 Solved: Pilgrim State Hospital Complex in 1938

Dec 16 2018 S. Berliner, III 11:19 PM

Hah!  There’;s an old typo!  The LIMP didn’t eliminate “highways”; only the at-grade crossings of same.  What got me to write, though, is to ask if there’s a date anywhere on the brochure.  One might assume 1917-18 from “War Tax”.  Thanks , Frank.  Sam, III

From Updated: Surveyor Clinton Robertson Photo Album: A Motor Parkway Survey Team in Lake Success in 1909

Dec 16 2018 Howard Kroplick 11:05 PM

Update: Added Long Island Motor Parkway brochure courtesy of Frank Femenias.

From Updated: Surveyor Clinton Robertson Photo Album: A Motor Parkway Survey Team in Lake Success in 1909

Dec 16 2018 frank femenias 9:20 PM

There’s actually a third photo of this bridge on the front cover of a ‘Long Island Motor Parkway’ brochure, that I somehow cannot locate now, even if my life depended on it. Or was I dreaming?

From Updated: Surveyor Clinton Robertson Photo Album: A Motor Parkway Survey Team in Lake Success in 1909

Dec 16 2018 S. Berliner, III 7:39 PM

I somehow missed Bridge Series 15 but find it hard to believe that all traces are gone.  The abutments and wing walls didn’t sit flat on the ground.  Assuming they had rebar in the foundations, it’s probably still under there and thus readily locatable by magnetometer.  It seems unlikely anyone would have bothered to bulldoze the underpinnings up in an undeveloped area like that.  How precisely can we locate Station 742?  Buried treasure seekers, get cracking!  Sam, III

From Updated: Surveyor Clinton Robertson Photo Album: A Motor Parkway Survey Team in Lake Success in 1909

Dec 16 2018 Steve Lucas 6:53 PM

I believe the photo is over Brentwood looking north with Pilgrim State Hospital being the main complex in the center. It opened in 1931 and the current smaller version is now known as Pilgrim Psychiatric Center. To the right is the current site of Suffolk County Community College. In addition to the LIMP, we can see Commack Road, Crooked Hill Road, Wicks Road, and with a little imagination, Jericho Turnpike ( state route 25), with its connector road to the LIMP, later to become Harned Road. The LIMP enters near the upper left corner, proceeds east, then curves south and east again where it intersects Wicks Road. The LIRR is a spur heading north from the lower right corner (having branched off the main line) before forking into two tracks on the hospital grounds. Not sure about the date but I’ll say around 1939-1940 because I don’t think there’s any evidence yet of construction starting for Edgewood State Hospital.

From Mystery Foto #50 Solved: Pilgrim State Hospital Complex in 1938

Dec 16 2018 Brian D McCarthy 5:33 PM

*Location & Orientation:  Brentwood, NY viewing north.

*Building Complex & Year Est:  Pilgrim State Hospital, opened 10/1/1931. Hospital community that’s entirely self contained. Property extended into 4 towns: Babylon, Huntington, Islip and Smithtown.

*Complex buildings on both sides of Crooked Hill Rd:  Pilgrim Psychiatric Center W/O Crooked Hill, and Suffolk Community College E/O Crooked Hill, est. 1974 on former Pilgrim farm land.

*Roads:  Commack, Crooked Hill, and Wicks Rd. LIRR spur north from main line. Right branch towards Pilgrim Passenger Platform, and left branch towards Pilgrim Power Plant.

*LIMP:  Upper half of image. West across Wicks Rd., then N/W towards Jericho Tpke spur. Continues west across Commack Rd.

*Kudo, image date & rationale:  I’ll say 1938 due to an aerial dated the same ( 7/13/1938 ) within the Stony Brook University Digital Collections ( ASA_5_5 or 5_3 ). Images are much alike.

From Mystery Foto #50 Solved: Pilgrim State Hospital Complex in 1938

Dec 16 2018 Howard Kroplick 1:46 PM

Update: Captions have been added to the images

From Updated: My Favorite Queens Motor Parkway Images for the New York City Parks Department

Dec 16 2018 Gary Monti 1:32 PM

In the far distance of the photo, to the North,  are the hangars of Curtiss Field. Curtiss Field was renamed and incorporated one year later as the eastern section of Roosevelt Field.

From The Salvation Army Hotel Being Moved Down Clinton Road in Garden City in 1928

Dec 16 2018 `Howard Kroplick 12:19 PM

Anthony Guardino

Howard.  Thanks again for your great work in promoting the history of Long Island Motor Parkway.  Here are my responses to questions relating to Mystery Friday Foto #50. - Anthony Guardino
Mystery Foto questions:
• Identify the location and orientation of the photographer.
• The photo is of Brentwood looking north.
• What is the building complex in the Mystery Foto and when was it built?
• The building complex is the Pilgrim State Hospital, which began construction in 1929 and opened in 1931.
• What is located on the complex today and the property on the far right?
• Today, the New York State Office of Mental Health operates the Pilgrim Psychiatric Center from a small portion of the former State Hospital site, and a large portion has been sold to Gerald Wolkoff, who plans a major mixed-use development on it.  The property on the far right is now the Suffolk Community College, Michael J. Grant Campus.
• Identify the roads that are not the Motor Parkway,
• Crooked Hill Road, Commack Road and Wicks Road
• Where is the Motor Parkway?
• It is located at the far north end of the State Hospital complex.  The Commack Spur is also plainly visible at the top of the photograph.
• Where is the Long Island Railroad?
• The main line of the LIRR is located south of the photo, but a spur from the main line to the Pilgrim State Hospital station is visible along the right side of the photo.  A elevated portion of the rail spur is located in front of the power plant building at the southeast part of the complex.
• Kudos question: What is the date of the Mystery Foto? Provide a rationale.
• The photo was taken between 1931 and 1941.  Rationale: The State Hospital opened in 1931, but Buildings 81, 82 and 83 (three large buildings constructed some time prior to 1941 to the west of the circular feature in the center of the campus) are not shown in the photo.

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