Jan 06 2020

Mystery Foto #1 Solved: An Accident at the 1911 Indy 500 Race



The Helck Family Collection challenged you to identify the first Mystery Foto of the 2020s.

Answers to the Mystery Foto questions:

  • Identify the race, date and location.

​The first Indy 500 Race held on May 30, 1911 at the Indianapolis Speedway, Indiana.

  • Identify the three race cars and their drivers in the Mystery Foto.

​#7 Wescott driven by Harry Knight

#35 Apperson "Jack Rabbit" driven by Herb Lytle

#18 FIAT driven by Eddie Hearne

  • What caused the accident?

From Ariejan Bos: The accident on the photo happened after about 220 miles, when the steering knuckle on the Case #8 of Jagersberger snapped causing the car to crash into a wall in front of the stand. His mechanician Anderson jumped out to push the car off the track but he fell. In order to avoid running him over Harry Knight on Westcott #7 steered away, but the car skidded, got out of control and drove into the pits where it collided first with Herbert Lytle’s Apperson #35, turning the car upside down, and next with the Fiat #18 of Eddy Hearne, ending up against a fence. Both Harry Knight and his mechanician John Glover were hurt in the incident and brought to the hospital. 

  • Link the Mystery Foto to the Vanderbil Cup Races.

​Herb Lytle drove in six races associated with the Vanderbilt Cup Races (1904 VCR, 1905 VCR, 1908 VCR, 1905 AET, 1906 AET, and 1908 Motor Parkway Sweepstakes) and on Indy 500 Race (1911).

​Eddie Hearne raced in 9 Indy 500 Races (1911-1927) and three Vanderbilt Cup Races (1909, 1910 and 1915)

Comments (9)

Congrats to Chuck, Greg O, Art Kleiner, Dick Gorman, Ken Parrotte, Steve Lucas andAriejan Bos for correctly identifying the 1911 Indy 500 Race. 

Kudos to Ariejan Bos and Art Kleiner for posting jpegs.

Enjoy,

Howard Kroplick

#35 Apperson "jack Rabbit" driven by Herb Lytle

#18 FIAT driven by Eddie Hearne

#7 Wescott driven by Harry Knight and his mechanician John Glover


The accident is documented at the 2:44 mark of my 1911 Indy 500 film. Posted on June 20, 2009, this film has recorded an amazing 48,127 views



Comments

Jan 02 2020 Chuck 10:03 PM

#35 Lyttle in an Apperson
#7 Knight in a Westcott
#8 Jagersberger in a Case (who made cars I believe til ‘24, then went full tractor mode)

Indy 500 1911 on the main straight and into the pits.

I believe, from a very faulty memory, it was caused by a steering knuckle collapsing on the Case. 

It appears Herb Lyttle was the only driver to compete in the inaugural 1904 Vanderbilt Cup, competing in 6 total as well as the inaugural Indy 500, and the Appersons competed in ‘09 and ‘10 Vanderbilt.

Jan 03 2020 Greg O. 9:47 AM

Answers discovered and copied from firstsuperspeedway.com;

-Identify the race, date and location.
This shot captures the biggest single accident at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in the first Indianapolis 500 in 1911.

-Identify the three race cars and their drivers in the Mystery Foto.
The accident occurred around lap 90 and involved Harry Knight, Joe Jagersberger,  and Herb Lytle.

-What caused the accident?
“A steering rod broke on Jagersberger’s Case racer on the front stretch in full view of the grandstand. Jagersberger skidded along the outside wall and was largely out of the way. What triggered the spectacular carnage that followed was the poor judgment of his riding mechanic, Charles Anderson, who decided to jump out of the car while it still carried speed. He promptly fell on the bricks and under the car’s left rear wheel. Startled, Westcott driver Harry Knight swerved to avoid the man, lost control and skidded into Herb Lytle’s Apperson, which was parked in his pit. Remember that at this time there was no wall separating the pits from the racing surface.

In this photo, we see the #7 car of Knight and the overturned #35 Apperson of Lytle. The other identifiable machine is the #18 Fiat of Eddie Hearne, which was also damaged but was able to continue. We can only assume he happened to make a pit stop at the time of the collision. This incident is blamed at least in part for the scoring confusion that also factored into controversy at the finish as inexperienced officials were distracted from tracking cars and drawn to the melee.”

-Link the Mystery Foto to the Vanderbil Cup Races.
Herb Lytle participated in more races associated with the Vanderbilt Cup Races (6) than any other driver.

Jan 03 2020 Art Kleiner 9:24 PM

Think I deleted my submission before hitting the button.  Here’s it again.

Identify the race, date and location. Indy 500, Sept. 30, 1911, Indianopolis Speedway

Identify the three race cars and their drivers in the Mystery Foto.
Harry Knight (Westcott), Joe Jagesberger (Case), Herb Lytle (Apperson)

What caused the accident? Knight broke a steering knuckle and its mechanic jumped onto the course, causing Knight to swerve into Lytle. 

Link the Mystery Foto to the Vanderbil Cup Races.  Lytle raced in more Vanderbilt Cup Races than anyone else.

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Jan 03 2020 Art Kleiner 9:25 PM

Two more pics.

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Jan 04 2020 Dick Gorman 10:10 AM

Mystery Foto #1…This photo was taken at the very first Indy 500 race on May 30, 1911 in Indianapolis, Indiana. The cars and drivers shown in photo are the Westcott driven by Harry Knight, the Apperson driven by Herb Lytle and the Case driven by Joe Jagersberger.
Cause of accident…A steering rod broke on Jagersberger’s Case racer on the front stretch in full view of the grandstand. Jagersberger skidded along the outside wall and was largely out of the way. What triggered the spectacular carnage that followed was the poor judgment of his riding mechanic, Charles Anderson, who decided to jump out of the car while it still carried speed. He promptly fell on the bricks and under the car’s left rear wheel. Startled, Westcott driver Harry Knight swerved to avoid the man, lost control and skidded into Herb Lytle’s Apperson, which was parked in his pit. Remember that at this time there was no wall separating the pits from the racing surface.
As for a link of the Mystery Foto to the Vanderbilt Cup races…I can only guess that these same Indy 500 drivers also ran in the Vanderbilt race…OR perhaps this photographer also shot photos at the Vanderbilt cup races.

Jan 05 2020 Ken Parrotte 1:05 PM

RE: Mystery Foto
05/30/1911 Indianapolis 500
#35 Herbert Lytle - Apperson
#7 Harry Knight - Westcott
#8 Joe Jagersburger - Case
The Cas broke a tie rod, slowed on the mainstretch, mechanician C.L. Anderson jumped or fell out.  The Westcott tried to avoid Anderson and ran into the Apperson which was setting in the pits.  The Apperson turned over.

Jan 05 2020 Steve Lucas 5:25 PM

This photo is from the first Indy 500 race on May 30, 1911. The three cars and drivers are:#7 Westcott driven by Harry Knight; #18 Fiat driven by Eddie Hearn; #35 Apperson driven by Herb Lytle. As to the cause, my attached narrative from firstsuperspeedway.com by Mark Dill explains it best. The link is Herb Lytle who participated in more Vanderbilt Cup Races than anyone including the 1904, 1905, and 1908 V.C.R.

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Jan 06 2020 Ariejan Bos 2:58 PM

This accident happened during the famous 1911 Indianapolis 500 mile International Sweepstakes on June 1st., 1911. This race was the first of many 500 mile races to come and the intention officially was to replace both the Vanderbilt Cup and the Grand Prize by this race. This first edition was won by Ray Harroun on a Marmon. There was a lot of dispute about the outcome, but I will not go into this here.
The accident on the photo happened after about 220 miles, when the steering knuckle on the Case #8 of Jagersberger snapped causing the car to crash into a wall in front of the stand. His mechanician Anderson jumped out to push the car off the track but he fell. In order to avoid running him over Harry Knight on Westcott #7 steered away, but the car skidded, got out of control and drove into the pits where it collided first with Herbert Lytle’s Apperson #35, turning the car upside down, and next with the Fiat #18 of Eddy Hearne, ending up against a fence. Both Harry Knight and his mechanician John Glover were hurt in the incident and brought to the hospital. John Glover’s injuries proved to be fatal and he would die in hospital the day after. He was the second victim of the race, because earlier in the race Arthur Greiner’s Amplex #44 had overturned, killing his mechanician Dickson.
There are not many photos of the accident, but in the French magazine La Vie au Grand Air of August 12 a series of 6 photos appeared giving an impression of the chaotic situation.
1. La collision: The crash (the French text is telling a slightly diffrent story of what actually happened.
2. Un qui l’echappa belle: Billy Knipper on Benz #46 was able to avoid the crashing cars.
3. La présence d’esprit d’Eddie Hearne: Hearne had the presence of mind to leave the track immediately.
4. Le transport d’un blessé: Knight’s mechanician John Clover was transported to an ambulance.
5. Un photographe heroïque: Photographer Rathburn was taken a snapshot of the accident, when a tire came flying by only a few inches from his head coming down 20 yards further.
6. Eddy Hearne après l’accident: This photo, taken a second after the accident, shows Eddy Hearne still at the wheel of his car, but displaced 60 meters from the place of impact.

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Jan 06 2020 Ariejan Bos 2:59 PM

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